[SIPForum-techwg] Close off new comments to 1.0 effort on 12Noon EST Tommrrow

[DOLLY, MARTIN C, ATTLABS]

Eric,
 
I strongly disagree. The enterprise customer that purchases these
equipment will interconnect to a service provider for services and PSTN
connectivity. The end-to-end principle did not quite work for the IETF,
so I do not se it working here. You need to take the carrier into
account, or this specification is not worth the paper it is written on.
 
Cheers,
 
Martin

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Subject: Re: [SIPForum-techwg] Close off new comments to 1.0 effort on
12Noon EST Tommrrow


Let us not forget: one of the founding tenents of the SIP Forum is the
end-to-end principle.

Some guidelines I'd like to see, unless someone squawks loudly:

*	So long as doing something that works SIP-SIP does not bog us
down (i.e., we get it for free), I am all for it. 
*	Moreover, we should not do anything in SIPconnect 1.1 that will
be an obvious impediment to SIPconnect 2.0, which will have all of the
cool SIP-SIP, presence, full video conferencing, and sens-o-rama content
negotiation. 
*	However, if it looks like we are going to rathole on something
that just is not germane to getting SIPconnect 1.1 done, then I, for
one, would not object to the editor or chair to cut discussion and defer
that particular item to SIPconnect 2.0.


This does not mean we cannot have a discussion. Likewise, as far as I
know, this is entirely a theoretical discussion, as I am not aware of
anything we are doing in SIPconnect 1.1 that prevents SIP-SIP from just
working.



On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Dan York wrote:


	Richard,
	
	I've not sent any specific comments before because many of the  
	comments I did have were picked up by various parties and it
seemed  
	pointless to simply say "I agree".
	
	I will state, though, that I second the comments of John Elwell
and  
	others that my view of SIPconnect is that it should be a
reference  
	architecture for connecting a on-premise SIP system to a SIP
Service  
	Provider.  Period.  This connection may or may not be for PSTN  
	origination or termination.  That is certainly one of the
reasons -  
	and may be the primary reason for many people - but it's not the
only  
	reason.  I think we're getting (slowly) to the point where there
*are*  
	valid cases of wanting to connect SIP systems to SIP Service
Providers  
	purely to link in to the existing SIP clouds.
	
	My other comment is that in section 7.1.6, I think we need to
think  
	through whether other SIP messages beyond INVITE and REGISTER do
need  
	authentication, etc. (For instance, I know of some usage of
REFER  
	which would seem to need that authentication.)
	
	I look forward to the discussion on Thursday.  Overall, I think
the  
	document is looking great.
	
	Regards,
	Dan
	
	On Sep 22, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
	
	

		Tuesday September 23, 2008 in advance of our Face to
Face meeting on
		

		Thursday and Friday in Denver.
		


		This does not mean we are closing off comments in
general, or  
		

		afterwards,
		

		but we want to limit the discussion points to what we
have in hand on
		

		Tuesday.
		


		After we meet and reach some consensus on the direction
of the  
		

		document
		

		Spencer will issue a new draft and we can hopefully
start the  
		

		process to
		

		closure.
		


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